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	<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 07:22:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;Get off my lawn!&#8221; &#8212; How Maps + JS Have Changed by ShenZ</title>
		<link>http://crschmidt.net/blog/archives/578/get-off-my-lawn-how-maps-js-have-changed/comment-page-1/#comment-25329</link>
		<dc:creator>ShenZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2012 06:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Openlayers is great! It's been helping me since the day I started GIS development. 
The code is so well organized and the architecture is just beautiful!  I started creating my own map lib a year ago with GWT/canvas, and found that is definitely not easy. Every time I got stuck I will ask myself: what will Openlayers people do?
you guys are just amazing! Thank you so much. Please share more about the legend of openlayers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Openlayers is great! It&#8217;s been helping me since the day I started GIS development.<br />
The code is so well organized and the architecture is just beautiful!  I started creating my own map lib a year ago with GWT/canvas, and found that is definitely not easy. Every time I got stuck I will ask myself: what will Openlayers people do?<br />
you guys are just amazing! Thank you so much. Please share more about the legend of openlayers!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Deep, Dark, OpenLayers History by Philip</title>
		<link>http://crschmidt.net/blog/archives/583/deep-dark-openlayers-history/comment-page-1/#comment-25217</link>
		<dc:creator>Philip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2012 23:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pull your chair close and let me tell you a story... :)

We really should get around to having an early days OpenLayers reunion one of these days--perhaps on the 10th-ish anniversary in 2015.

Because I'm a hoarder and have more important things to do, I trawled through some old files and found that John Frank first contacted me on 20 March 2005 with an email which had the subject line "contract work?".

I remember that I almost deleted the email as spam (hey, it was two first names, all lower case and about money) but then thought I'd open it anyway and am glad I did. :)

He had contacted me because he'd seen the Google Maps reverse-engineering I'd been doing (http://libgmail.sourceforge.net/googlemaps.html) and said he wanted to create something with a JS UI that could work with open standards-based map servers.

After some exploration and back &amp; forth I agreed to create a demo for him. We got bogged down in contract negotiations for a while (I was a little wary of dealing with an unknown US company :)) but eventually I worked on the demo that he used in his Where 2.0 presentation. (I ended up at the conference as well because O'Reilly flew me over as a result of my Google Maps-related work.)

I'm a bit hazy on the details but I *think* it was during the time that we were sorting out the contract that someone else built on the original demo I'd created. Although I'm pretty sure what John showed at Where 2.0 had a large proportion of my work in it too. So, yeah, don't quote me on that. :) Somewhere I have a photo of the result (including the debug-numbered map tiles due to a slow or broken network :) ). (I also still seem to have most of the emails etc from around that time for future historians...)

The emails probably have John coining the "slippy" map term--I never really liked it as a term--it struck me as kinda "unprofessional"--but it seems to have stuck. :) There's probably the naming of OpenLayers in there as well--I seem to recall having a conversation on the phone with him about it while I was standing in the laundry staring out the backdoor of where I was living at the time.

Oh, look, here it is, from John, dated 7 July 2005:

&gt; how about the name "openlayers"?

To which I replied:

&gt; I'm not so keen on that either, I feel it's not really descriptive enough.

So, yeah, I guess don't take naming advice from me? :D (At least we didn't end up with slippymaps.com!)

Looks like we first started talking about open sourcing what we were working on back in April but approval didn't happen until early July.

I remember at the time being a bit frustrated by the delay as it meant a number of other FLOSS projects popped up to "fill the gap" instead of there being one everyone could work on.

I don't necessarily agree with *all* your observations, e.g. my feeling is that OL was designed from the beginning to be a library suitable to multiple applications; and the map viewer service was perceived as a way to make it easy for people to place their data on a map with only a comma separated data file.

Incidentally, who was the person you met in the bar? I encountered a few names I'd forgotten along the way when I was trawling through the old emails.

While I might do some things different now than I did then I'm thankful for the time spent on OpenLayers and still feel a sense of pride when I see the blue &amp; white directional arrows (probably the only visible evidence of my OL involvement left) on openstreetmap.org or screenshots of Haiti OSM/OL-based relief tools. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pull your chair close and let me tell you a story&#8230; <img src='http://crschmidt.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>We really should get around to having an early days OpenLayers reunion one of these days&#8211;perhaps on the 10th-ish anniversary in 2015.</p>
<p>Because I&#8217;m a hoarder and have more important things to do, I trawled through some old files and found that John Frank first contacted me on 20 March 2005 with an email which had the subject line &#8220;contract work?&#8221;.</p>
<p>I remember that I almost deleted the email as spam (hey, it was two first names, all lower case and about money) but then thought I&#8217;d open it anyway and am glad I did. <img src='http://crschmidt.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>He had contacted me because he&#8217;d seen the Google Maps reverse-engineering I&#8217;d been doing (http://libgmail.sourceforge.net/googlemaps.html) and said he wanted to create something with a JS UI that could work with open standards-based map servers.</p>
<p>After some exploration and back &amp; forth I agreed to create a demo for him. We got bogged down in contract negotiations for a while (I was a little wary of dealing with an unknown US company :)) but eventually I worked on the demo that he used in his Where 2.0 presentation. (I ended up at the conference as well because O&#8217;Reilly flew me over as a result of my Google Maps-related work.)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a bit hazy on the details but I *think* it was during the time that we were sorting out the contract that someone else built on the original demo I&#8217;d created. Although I&#8217;m pretty sure what John showed at Where 2.0 had a large proportion of my work in it too. So, yeah, don&#8217;t quote me on that. <img src='http://crschmidt.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> Somewhere I have a photo of the result (including the debug-numbered map tiles due to a slow or broken network <img src='http://crschmidt.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> ). (I also still seem to have most of the emails etc from around that time for future historians&#8230;)</p>
<p>The emails probably have John coining the &#8220;slippy&#8221; map term&#8211;I never really liked it as a term&#8211;it struck me as kinda &#8220;unprofessional&#8221;&#8211;but it seems to have stuck. <img src='http://crschmidt.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> There&#8217;s probably the naming of OpenLayers in there as well&#8211;I seem to recall having a conversation on the phone with him about it while I was standing in the laundry staring out the backdoor of where I was living at the time.</p>
<p>Oh, look, here it is, from John, dated 7 July 2005:</p>
<p>&gt; how about the name &#8220;openlayers&#8221;?</p>
<p>To which I replied:</p>
<p>&gt; I&#8217;m not so keen on that either, I feel it&#8217;s not really descriptive enough.</p>
<p>So, yeah, I guess don&#8217;t take naming advice from me? <img src='http://crschmidt.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> (At least we didn&#8217;t end up with slippymaps.com!)</p>
<p>Looks like we first started talking about open sourcing what we were working on back in April but approval didn&#8217;t happen until early July.</p>
<p>I remember at the time being a bit frustrated by the delay as it meant a number of other FLOSS projects popped up to &#8220;fill the gap&#8221; instead of there being one everyone could work on.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t necessarily agree with *all* your observations, e.g. my feeling is that OL was designed from the beginning to be a library suitable to multiple applications; and the map viewer service was perceived as a way to make it easy for people to place their data on a map with only a comma separated data file.</p>
<p>Incidentally, who was the person you met in the bar? I encountered a few names I&#8217;d forgotten along the way when I was trawling through the old emails.</p>
<p>While I might do some things different now than I did then I&#8217;m thankful for the time spent on OpenLayers and still feel a sense of pride when I see the blue &amp; white directional arrows (probably the only visible evidence of my OL involvement left) on openstreetmap.org or screenshots of Haiti OSM/OL-based relief tools. <img src='http://crschmidt.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;Get off my lawn!&#8221; &#8212; How Maps + JS Have Changed by crschmidt</title>
		<link>http://crschmidt.net/blog/archives/578/get-off-my-lawn-how-maps-js-have-changed/comment-page-1/#comment-25167</link>
		<dc:creator>crschmidt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2012 00:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The next 6 years will be filled with technologies I don't understand written by people better than me at everything they do, solving problems I can't comprehend with solutions that seem impossible.

Then again, that describes what I would say for just about any open source project I've ever worked on. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The next 6 years will be filled with technologies I don&#8217;t understand written by people better than me at everything they do, solving problems I can&#8217;t comprehend with solutions that seem impossible.</p>
<p>Then again, that describes what I would say for just about any open source project I&#8217;ve ever worked on. <img src='http://crschmidt.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;Get off my lawn!&#8221; &#8212; How Maps + JS Have Changed by Tom Carden</title>
		<link>http://crschmidt.net/blog/archives/578/get-off-my-lawn-how-maps-js-have-changed/comment-page-1/#comment-25154</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Carden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:41:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post Chris, kudos for sticking with it! OpenLayers is principled, thorough and comprehensive - truly ambitious in spite of its initial conditions.

Any thoughts on the next 6 years?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post Chris, kudos for sticking with it! OpenLayers is principled, thorough and comprehensive - truly ambitious in spite of its initial conditions.</p>
<p>Any thoughts on the next 6 years?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Simple Mistakes in Getting Started in Open Source Dev by Philip Newton</title>
		<link>http://crschmidt.net/blog/archives/576/simple-mistakes-in-getting-started-in-open-source-dev/comment-page-1/#comment-25152</link>
		<dc:creator>Philip Newton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 15:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Odd; I find the idea of you not knowing how to read bug reports of how patchfiles work hard to get my mind around. I guess I think of you as always having known stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Odd; I find the idea of you not knowing how to read bug reports of how patchfiles work hard to get my mind around. I guess I think of you as always having known stuff.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Choropleth Maps with OpenLayers 2.6 by indiemaps.com/blog &#187; introducing OpenLayers Symbology</title>
		<link>http://crschmidt.net/blog/archives/307/choropleth-maps-with-openlayers-26/comment-page-1/#comment-25055</link>
		<dc:creator>indiemaps.com/blog &#187; introducing OpenLayers Symbology</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2012 12:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] reference mapping, as opposed to thematic data mapping. I first saw OL used for thematic mapping in choropleth and proportional symbol applications in 2008. I added noncontiguous cartograms to the mix last [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] reference mapping, as opposed to thematic data mapping. I first saw OL used for thematic mapping in choropleth and proportional symbol applications in 2008. I added noncontiguous cartograms to the mix last [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Tap-to-Pan: Map Navigation on Browsers Without Touch by Mobilieji telefonai</title>
		<link>http://crschmidt.net/blog/archives/451/tap-to-pan-map-navigation-on-browsers-without-touch/comment-page-1/#comment-24414</link>
		<dc:creator>Mobilieji telefonai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2012 07:54:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have Nokia E7 and I was thinking 2 sell this crap phone. But symbian sucks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have Nokia E7 and I was thinking 2 sell this crap phone. But symbian sucks.</p>
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		<link>http://crschmidt.net/blog/archives/550/personal-weakness-discovery-channel-reality-tv/comment-page-1/#comment-24404</link>
		<dc:creator>John Cowan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2012 08:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ax Men, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ax Men, too.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Words with Four vowels in a row by David Larochelle</title>
		<link>http://crschmidt.net/blog/archives/544/words-with-four-vowels-in-a-row/comment-page-1/#comment-24329</link>
		<dc:creator>David Larochelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2012 15:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'll go one better 'queueing' it has 5 vowels in a row.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Working for the Man by crschmidt</title>
		<link>http://crschmidt.net/blog/archives/542/working-for-the-man/comment-page-1/#comment-24252</link>
		<dc:creator>crschmidt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 02:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yves: If I wanted to be paid to work on FOSS, I could get a job where I was paid to work on FOSS. It probably wouldn't pay as much, and it wouldn't be nearly as fun, and I wouldn't get to work with the people who I work with now. Overall, the benefits of working on FOSS are much less than the benefits of working on a team that I have been working with for half a decade, building a product that I can quantify the benefit of to a lot more people. (My work at Nokia has probably benefited many more people than even my work on OpenLayers ever will.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yves: If I wanted to be paid to work on FOSS, I could get a job where I was paid to work on FOSS. It probably wouldn&#8217;t pay as much, and it wouldn&#8217;t be nearly as fun, and I wouldn&#8217;t get to work with the people who I work with now. Overall, the benefits of working on FOSS are much less than the benefits of working on a team that I have been working with for half a decade, building a product that I can quantify the benefit of to a lot more people. (My work at Nokia has probably benefited many more people than even my work on OpenLayers ever will.)</p>
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